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consumedsoul
on Sep 17. 2007. 9:12 pm
Ilija Studen:There are four states project can have in activeCollab - active, paused, completed and canceled. Only number of active projects is limited by the license. You can have as many paused, completed or canceled projects in the archive.
What does 'paused' status signify? Will it not show up then on the main screens, etc.?
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Ilija Studen
on Sep 17. 2007. 9:18 pm
Paused project is a project that is archived, but it is not completed or canceled. It's just on hold.
It is not shown outside of project archive and all actions are disabled until you mark it as active again...
It is not shown outside of project archive and all actions are disabled until you mark it as active again...
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consumedsoul
on Sep 17. 2007. 9:21 pm
Bummer. I have 35-40 active projects open simultatneously and need them to be shown so it would be way too expensive. :T I echo others, the pricing is just way too much [for me], seems like enterprise pricing for us small businesses/organizations.
I hope you find the right market for the product though Ilija and are successful, you did an amazing job w/ the development and bringing this to 1.0!
I hope you find the right market for the product though Ilija and are successful, you did an amazing job w/ the development and bringing this to 1.0!
I can understand that there are only four active projects at A51, but surely this is only one aspect of your life. I think you would find that many individuals use aC for their personal lives. In which case, yes. Many many people will need to have more than 35 projects. I equate projects to goals. If you think about it in this way, you will see that there are many mid to long term goals that could necessitate needing more than 35 active projects.
I still do look forward to testing out the full RC suite and the Lite version.
I still do look forward to testing out the full RC suite and the Lite version.
I have been testing out v0.7, and I do have far more than 5 active projects on the go, so it looks like I won't be able to upgrade to the new free version.
I don't need the advanced features (just using it for personal purposes), but would like to have unlimited projects. Looks like it's back to searching for another alternative.
I don't need the advanced features (just using it for personal purposes), but would like to have unlimited projects. Looks like it's back to searching for another alternative.
Pro
Hands up people:
What do you think about more simple product line? How about three versions:
1) Free with some sort of a limitations
2) Pro version
3) Enterprise version without any limitations
I think Pro version around 199$ would be a hit. Enterprise version can go up to 599$ and even more with good support. Think about the price for Microsoft Office - normal users might compare AC to similar products like Office, MindManger etc. Yes, you can also handle the projects with Office :)
What do you think about more simple product line? How about three versions:
1) Free with some sort of a limitations
2) Pro version
3) Enterprise version without any limitations
I think Pro version around 199$ would be a hit. Enterprise version can go up to 599$ and even more with good support. Think about the price for Microsoft Office - normal users might compare AC to similar products like Office, MindManger etc. Yes, you can also handle the projects with Office :)
Pro
starrfallen
on Sep 18. 2007. 5:24 am
I agree with Shrike. I definitely think that payment is a necessary thing. And I would like to see a system where the team is getting paid for their efforts. The problem is that they are comparing this to Basecamp and pricing it similarly. The main difference between this and Basecamp that allows BC to get away with the higher price points is that BC is hosted on THEIR servers.
You need to keep in mind that you are selling a package. A program. A one time deal (other than the service which is a separate yearly fee - and whatever, charge whatever you like for that - that is your extended time). You are not selling web space, server maintenance, etc. That is where the high costs come in. Look at any project management solution that is similarly priced to basecamp, it always comes hosted. Even http://whodo.es is cheaper than basecamp and it is hosted.
I have never seen a "program" this expensive. Even look at the program you are running this site on. The most Expression Engine charges is $249. Now, I'm not saying that aC shouldn't be more than that. I am just saying that the price points definitely need to be more realistic.
And yes, maybe A51 only has 4 projects open at a time, but not everyone using this program are working on huge projects. Everyone will be using this program differently. I am a freelancer, I don't have much income and I have one client alone who (pain that she may be) has me working on about 5-10 projects at a time just for her - and they HAVE to be open all of the time, because if they disappeared, or were "archived" she would flip out (she's too dumb to figure it out), and also she always wants to know the current status on them. And this isn't tasks or anything. This is individual clients that SHE has. So I need to mark them as separate projects.
I was expecting to pay between $150-300 for something I could use, which is tough enough for me to afford as it is... there is no way I can afford this the way you have it laid out - and I really don't think it is worth that much.
Also, stop saying that there are 2 versions. There are not 2 versions. There are 5 that I count. You can't really say that the $2000 version is the same as the Start version. (i feel like this is Vista ;)
You need to keep in mind that you are selling a package. A program. A one time deal (other than the service which is a separate yearly fee - and whatever, charge whatever you like for that - that is your extended time). You are not selling web space, server maintenance, etc. That is where the high costs come in. Look at any project management solution that is similarly priced to basecamp, it always comes hosted. Even http://whodo.es is cheaper than basecamp and it is hosted.
I have never seen a "program" this expensive. Even look at the program you are running this site on. The most Expression Engine charges is $249. Now, I'm not saying that aC shouldn't be more than that. I am just saying that the price points definitely need to be more realistic.
And yes, maybe A51 only has 4 projects open at a time, but not everyone using this program are working on huge projects. Everyone will be using this program differently. I am a freelancer, I don't have much income and I have one client alone who (pain that she may be) has me working on about 5-10 projects at a time just for her - and they HAVE to be open all of the time, because if they disappeared, or were "archived" she would flip out (she's too dumb to figure it out), and also she always wants to know the current status on them. And this isn't tasks or anything. This is individual clients that SHE has. So I need to mark them as separate projects.
I was expecting to pay between $150-300 for something I could use, which is tough enough for me to afford as it is... there is no way I can afford this the way you have it laid out - and I really don't think it is worth that much.
Also, stop saying that there are 2 versions. There are not 2 versions. There are 5 that I count. You can't really say that the $2000 version is the same as the Start version. (i feel like this is Vista ;)
consumedsoul:Bummer. I have 35-40 active projects open simultatneously and need them to be shown so it would be way too expensive. :T I echo others, the pricing is just way too much [for me], seems like enterprise pricing for us small businesses/organizations.
I hope you find the right market for the product though Ilija and are successful, you did an amazing job w/ the development and bringing this to 1.0!
Same here. I have dozens of mostly small- to medium-sized jobs for small businesses, charities and not for profits. AC is expensive compared to Copper Project for example. The cost of the acPlus license gets me 2 years of CP but with unlimited projects. (And I don't want to 'pause' a number of jobs to keep within an active job limit.)
I can pay on a monthly basis and get free updates for as long as I'm a hosted customer (where files are is irrelevant to me) without the huge outlay. Don't get me wrong, I always (and like) paying for software, but there is nothing compelling in the pricing here.
Have fun :}
I completely agree with starfallen and marty... I was so excited to find out what pricing would be, and felt somewhat disappointed when I read it. Pricing is too agressive, and comparable to basecamp. (and honestly, if I wanted to pay basecamp prices, I would have went to basecamp) I think that you may be overpricing your common market, which will be freelancers and small design/development companies. I also thing charging based on the number of open projects is really lame. I understand the need to make money, and wanting to charge for hard work - and I guess you can charge what you please - but I won't be buying it. Not with the limitations you place for the pricing. I thing everything starfallen has said hit the nail right on the head.
Please reconsider!
Please reconsider!
