aC forum: Flaming activeCollab http://www.activecollab.com/forums/topic/2128/ Recent posts on topic: Flaming activeCollab en-us Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:13:00 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10159/#post10159 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10159/#post10159 Post #14 by Ilija Studen Ilija Studen Thank you for sharing your point of view with us, but lets lock this before it explodes.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:45:26 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10158/#post10158 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10158/#post10158 Post #13 by Alex. Alex. No one ever said you were an arse hole.
We just said you were taking it too seriously.

I too use open source projects (I'm a big fan of phpbb, and I'm also working on an OS app as well), but the point is, that somewhere you have to draw the line between living of a couple off donated bucks, and actually having enough money to live on.
Ilijia has taken big steps towards increasing the quality of his product, and that is his decision.

Most commercial web applications actually run off / incorporate OS software, its nothing new

I myself won't be buying 1.0, because I can't afford it. I will continue to use 0.71, or use project pier.

EDIT: Yes, this thread should really be locked

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:43:44 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10157/#post10157 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10157/#post10157 Post #12 by hoppie hoppie @Ilija Studen
LOL, Ilija - I'd love to pay you for support and service! Why can't we pay when we need it?

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:35:49 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10156/#post10156 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10156/#post10156 Post #11 by lighty lighty I'm not sure but I think this topic should be locked...

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:35:11 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10155/#post10155 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10155/#post10155 Post #10 by hoppie hoppie You know what, you all can get pissed off at me for criticizing your wonderful activeCollab - After this though, I won't be able to stomach another reply to what is to me, capitalism at its most disgusting. It's so pathetic to me that you are all unable to see the reality of the situation here.

What type of web server do you think is hosting this site? Could it be a Linux server running Apache? Why write activeCollab in PHP and not asp.net? Are the developers of Smarty getting a fat payday? If you want to deny your reliance on the work of dedicated "cheapskates" like me, that's your choice...but don't try and justify another persons greed.

MOST of the people in the world make less than $2 a day. That's why I'll donate to DOTPROJECT.NET and maybe even buy a re-usable canvas shopping bag...Cause I'm a preachy asshole who should keep my comments to myself, while you jerk-offs continue to ruin it for the rest of us. I'm gonna go write my post at the left wing politico blog of my choosing now. later.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:33:02 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10154/#post10154 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10154/#post10154 Post #9 by lighty lighty I completely agree with Ilija, hoppie, stop shouting and try the software, you can't say you can afford $399 (or $199 for the smallbiz version) for such quality...

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:29:28 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10153/#post10153 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10153/#post10153 Post #8 by Ilija Studen Ilija Studen Thank you for commenting, but lets calm down a bit.

I completely understand collective efforts of the free software community and think they are doing a great job. Still, there is way too many examples where companies who sell software are making better products than FLOSS community. People don't mind paying for it as long as they are getting better software and service (pburt16 pointed out quality, attention to detail and customer support).

My opinion is that we can bring more value to our customers by selling software instead of giving it away for free and I hope v1.0 proves me right.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:22:08 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10152/#post10152 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10152/#post10152 Post #7 by pburt16 pburt16 No offense to the cheapskates in the FREE community, but I've tried many open source tools; including Sugar, Drupal, Joomla, Gimp, (and the list goes on) and most of them fall short - try to be too many things to too many people, lack features, or are simply horrendously designed.

Not only does Ilijia deserve to make money on HIS application, but I hope he gets to retire young as a result.

Open Source is fine idea, maybe even a noble idea. But, the quality, attention to detail, and customer support typical of many individual developers working hard to create a quality product is worth every damned penny.

So, give it a rest. If you don't want to pay for something, don't .. and do us all a favor and keep your preachy comments where they belong .. to yourself.

Frankly, if it were not for my own lack of technical ability, I would have tried developing a project collaboration tool myself. But, alas, I need smart people like Ilijia to do it for me. Besides, I never got such good customer support from 37 Signals.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:05:41 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10150/#post10150 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10150/#post10150 Post #6 by hoppie hoppie I edited my original post a bit to be a little less inflammatory...

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:29:49 UTC http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10149/#post10149 http://www.activecollab.com/forums/post/10149/#post10149 Post #5 by hoppie hoppie
J.R.:
I would say that activeCollab is already much better than Basecamp even though it doesn't contain all of Basecamp's features. Anything that is missing is most likely on the way.


This is like saying Gimp is better than Photoshop even though it doesn't have all the features, and holding out for features that are 'most likely' on the way. I may be alone on this...but I prefer to use Gimp instead of Photoshop. It's not all about features for me- but philosophy. I WISH Gimp was better than Photoshop but it isn't, and that's OK.

Anyway, this was not my point. Perhaps I should have left out the part about it falling short of basecamp, which is totally subjective. I merely wanted to express my disappointment with the switch to a non-free model.

Alex:
Ilijia has put in a heck of a lot of effort into this project right from the start, and I appluade him for it.

Me too! I applaude him for his contributions, but detest his decision to move into a pricing structure like this. There are a great number of software packages I use which required considerably more work and knowledge to produce, but still are offered for absolutely free.

But you know what, I'm just a crazy Linux user who will never again be forced to pay for software which (like it or not) was made better by feedback from its users and the community as a whole. It's important to remember that Ilijia had loads of free help from people on the internet - I'd wager that he uses Google on a daily basis to find answers to questions. Answers provided by other people at no cost to him.

I'm not opposed to anyone making money from an idea, or from using the ideas of others. I personally would have rather seen aC 1.0 have been free and GPL, with corporate, or just generally a paid support option. Go visit ubuntu.org - or sourceforge...I'd rather buy a pint for someone whose work I appreciate and admire than feel like the victim of a bait and switch.

toddgeist:
Take couple of deep breaths... there are very few things (if any) that necessitate public name calling.

I happily handed over the 399 the minute it became available. and I have not regretted it one little bit. My team and I are much productive as a result.


I didn't do any name calling. I'm glad you handed over your money. I won't be asking the folks at 37 signals anything, because I don't use their product. I agree with all the positive things said about aC - but disagree with the business model, thats all. I think all this wonderful support you guys are giving aC would be better directed towards a project like dotproject.net or any other project intended to make the (computer) world a better place.

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